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		<title>By: dave heasman</title>
		<link>http://www.pigdogfucker.com/2007/09/23/libellists/#comment-10489</link>
		<dc:creator>dave heasman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall Michael Foot winning a pathetically small sum from teh Sun for something quite vile that they wrote, which I forget. In a masterstroke Foot joined Murdoch to the case, arguing that since he (Foot) was leader of the Opposition Murdoch must have personally approved the attack. I believe teh Sun folded without a fight, too, so no prize, but it cheers me up to recall it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall Michael Foot winning a pathetically small sum from teh Sun for something quite vile that they wrote, which I forget. In a masterstroke Foot joined Murdoch to the case, arguing that since he (Foot) was leader of the Opposition Murdoch must have personally approved the attack. I believe teh Sun folded without a fight, too, so no prize, but it cheers me up to recall it.</p>
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		<title>By: Pigdogfucker &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Possibly fast, definitely shit</title>
		<link>http://www.pigdogfucker.com/2007/09/23/libellists/#comment-9915</link>
		<dc:creator>Pigdogfucker &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Possibly fast, definitely shit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I had chalked UK ISP Fasthosts down as a company that cravenly but understandably backed down to Alisher Usmanov, and that might have learned lessons from that debacle. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I had chalked UK ISP Fasthosts down as a company that cravenly but understandably backed down to Alisher Usmanov, and that might have learned lessons from that debacle. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Reactionary Snob</title>
		<link>http://www.pigdogfucker.com/2007/09/23/libellists/#comment-9237</link>
		<dc:creator>Reactionary Snob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 03:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to make it clear - re-reading the last. I&#039;m obviously not a paedophile! If the allegation was put forward, I wouldn&#039;t take it to court I&#039;d just tell everyone I know in the media that the person behind the claim was a fucking lying cunt.

RS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to make it clear &#8211; re-reading the last. I&#8217;m obviously not a paedophile! If the allegation was put forward, I wouldn&#8217;t take it to court I&#8217;d just tell everyone I know in the media that the person behind the claim was a fucking lying cunt.</p>
<p>RS</p>
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		<title>By: Reactionary Snob</title>
		<link>http://www.pigdogfucker.com/2007/09/23/libellists/#comment-9236</link>
		<dc:creator>Reactionary Snob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 03:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pigdog,

What are your thoughts on the idea of Mass Libel Action? I&#039;ve always thought it somewhat strange that I can sue someone who says, for example, Reactionary Snob is a paedophile but if I was an asylum seeker I couldn&#039;t sue the Daily Mail if they ran a story saying &#039;All Asylum seekeres roast their children on open fires for dinner&#039;. I&#039;d say that in the latter case ALL asylum seekers are being tarred with the same brush.

In the first instance, I&#039;d agree - I&#039;m not sure individual libel law is all that necessary. However, as mass action can&#039;t be taken it means that newspapers can cause tangible harms to large groups of people. Groups of people who don&#039;t really have legal recourse (i.e. an individual asylum seeker can&#039;t sue the Daily Mail in the above instance) and who don&#039;t have access to the media. The other side to this, of course, would be that papers would be less likely to run anti-asylum seeker or, indeed, anti-traveler stories if they weren&#039;t true.

The downside, of course, is that we&#039;d see things a little like mass tort law in the USA - where anyone who has sought asylum can add their name ot list and they could, in theory, bring down a newspaper. Then again, if said newspaper had told a malicious lie that had hurt a number of people so much that a judge/jury awards mass damages... fuck them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pigdog,</p>
<p>What are your thoughts on the idea of Mass Libel Action? I&#8217;ve always thought it somewhat strange that I can sue someone who says, for example, Reactionary Snob is a paedophile but if I was an asylum seeker I couldn&#8217;t sue the Daily Mail if they ran a story saying &#8216;All Asylum seekeres roast their children on open fires for dinner&#8217;. I&#8217;d say that in the latter case ALL asylum seekers are being tarred with the same brush.</p>
<p>In the first instance, I&#8217;d agree &#8211; I&#8217;m not sure individual libel law is all that necessary. However, as mass action can&#8217;t be taken it means that newspapers can cause tangible harms to large groups of people. Groups of people who don&#8217;t really have legal recourse (i.e. an individual asylum seeker can&#8217;t sue the Daily Mail in the above instance) and who don&#8217;t have access to the media. The other side to this, of course, would be that papers would be less likely to run anti-asylum seeker or, indeed, anti-traveler stories if they weren&#8217;t true.</p>
<p>The downside, of course, is that we&#8217;d see things a little like mass tort law in the USA &#8211; where anyone who has sought asylum can add their name ot list and they could, in theory, bring down a newspaper. Then again, if said newspaper had told a malicious lie that had hurt a number of people so much that a judge/jury awards mass damages&#8230; fuck them?</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
		<link>http://www.pigdogfucker.com/2007/09/23/libellists/#comment-8568</link>
		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fuckety cunt, Wikipedia reveals that Brighouse actually won in an out of court settlement, so I have to hand my fucking prize back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fuckety cunt, Wikipedia reveals that Brighouse actually won in an out of court settlement, so I have to hand my fucking prize back.</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
		<link>http://www.pigdogfucker.com/2007/09/23/libellists/#comment-8567</link>
		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hah! victory!  Harry Brighouse&#039;s dad, Tim of that clan, won libel damages from Tory Education Secretary John Patten, for calling him a &quot;nutter&quot; in the TES.  Tim Brighouse is by common consent a lovely chap and the TES is a newspaper, so I WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN!  Yay Davies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah! victory!  Harry Brighouse&#8217;s dad, Tim of that clan, won libel damages from Tory Education Secretary John Patten, for calling him a &#8220;nutter&#8221; in the TES.  Tim Brighouse is by common consent a lovely chap and the TES is a newspaper, so I WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN!  Yay Davies.</p>
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		<title>By: moomoo</title>
		<link>http://www.pigdogfucker.com/2007/09/23/libellists/#comment-8539</link>
		<dc:creator>moomoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if you would allow me to add some (allegedly) related tags so that it is easier for me to find this entertaining post at a later date.

TAGS: Accused Rapist, Alisher Usmanov, Ambassador, Ambassadorial, Arsenal, Chelsea, Embassy, Foreign Office, Gafur Rakimov, Gazprom, Gazprom Investholdings, Gorbachev, Gulnara, Gulnara Karimova, Ivan Safronov, Jastrzebski, Karimov, Kommersant, Mapobank, Moscow, Mr Usmanov, Murder, Pardon, Craig Murray, Censorship

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if you would allow me to add some (allegedly) related tags so that it is easier for me to find this entertaining post at a later date.</p>
<p>TAGS: Accused Rapist, Alisher Usmanov, Ambassador, Ambassadorial, Arsenal, Chelsea, Embassy, Foreign Office, Gafur Rakimov, Gazprom, Gazprom Investholdings, Gorbachev, Gulnara, Gulnara Karimova, Ivan Safronov, Jastrzebski, Karimov, Kommersant, Mapobank, Moscow, Mr Usmanov, Murder, Pardon, Craig Murray, Censorship</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Teabag</title>
		<link>http://www.pigdogfucker.com/2007/09/23/libellists/#comment-8536</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Teabag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;understandably because itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s not their fight; itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s not reasonable to expect the directors of a small web hosting firm to potentially lose their livelihood because the law&lt;/i&gt;

Perhaps not, but it&#039;s also not reasonable to expect them to take down several other entirely uninvolved websites as well, simply because they&#039;re too fucking inept to do their job properly...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>understandably because itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s not their fight; itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s not reasonable to expect the directors of a small web hosting firm to potentially lose their livelihood because the law</i></p>
<p>Perhaps not, but it&#8217;s also not reasonable to expect them to take down several other entirely uninvolved websites as well, simply because they&#8217;re too fucking inept to do their job properly&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.pigdogfucker.com/2007/09/23/libellists/#comment-8535</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are SPOT ON.
However in the case of Elton John I thought he was &#039;GAY&#039; but now I am not too sure, are we talking about &#039;GAY&#039; as in pre 90s or Gay as in post 90s or the current interpretation &#039;Gay&#039;.

As for me, personally, I feel and maintain that anyone who tries to defend against a libel suite is by the very nature guilty. Those who just ignore the comments are innocent. Plus they are &#039;GROWN UP&#039;. I would also say that in the case of the tycoon you speak of, by my definition he IS very much guilty, So sue me - Thats my opinion and I will NEVER change it. Why should he be worried about getting &#039;his innocence into the media&#039; if he were ACTUALLY innocent.
It&#039;s rather CHILDISH Usmanov to actually think that we &#039;Give a SHIT&#039;. Just goes to show that being rich does not hide the fact that one can still be &#039;STUPID&#039;.

Personally I will check what it is Usmanov owns and I will make a concerted effort to AVOID it.

That is a good idea, does anyone know what he does and how can I avoid increasing his finances. Let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are SPOT ON.<br />
However in the case of Elton John I thought he was &#8216;GAY&#8217; but now I am not too sure, are we talking about &#8216;GAY&#8217; as in pre 90s or Gay as in post 90s or the current interpretation &#8216;Gay&#8217;.</p>
<p>As for me, personally, I feel and maintain that anyone who tries to defend against a libel suite is by the very nature guilty. Those who just ignore the comments are innocent. Plus they are &#8216;GROWN UP&#8217;. I would also say that in the case of the tycoon you speak of, by my definition he IS very much guilty, So sue me &#8211; Thats my opinion and I will NEVER change it. Why should he be worried about getting &#8216;his innocence into the media&#8217; if he were ACTUALLY innocent.<br />
It&#8217;s rather CHILDISH Usmanov to actually think that we &#8216;Give a SHIT&#8217;. Just goes to show that being rich does not hide the fact that one can still be &#8216;STUPID&#8217;.</p>
<p>Personally I will check what it is Usmanov owns and I will make a concerted effort to AVOID it.</p>
<p>That is a good idea, does anyone know what he does and how can I avoid increasing his finances. Let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
		<link>http://www.pigdogfucker.com/2007/09/23/libellists/#comment-8532</link>
		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the record for a British libel judgement (and one that will probably never be beaten because they changed the guidelines) was the Ã‚Â£1.5m awarded against Nikolai Tolstoy in the Aldington &quot;Minister and the Massacres&quot; case.  It wasn&#039;t a press lawsuit so maybe your rule survives on that technicality, but I think most sane people&#039;s conclusion from that trial was that Aldington had made the best he could out of a completely invidious situation in postwar Yugoslavia and that he was utterly blameless of the charge of being an accessory to mass murder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the record for a British libel judgement (and one that will probably never be beaten because they changed the guidelines) was the Ã‚Â£1.5m awarded against Nikolai Tolstoy in the Aldington &#8220;Minister and the Massacres&#8221; case.  It wasn&#8217;t a press lawsuit so maybe your rule survives on that technicality, but I think most sane people&#8217;s conclusion from that trial was that Aldington had made the best he could out of a completely invidious situation in postwar Yugoslavia and that he was utterly blameless of the charge of being an accessory to mass murder.</p>
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